so basically, i tried the network from surface 100 times!!!:( It would tell me to select curves from one direction and enter, then select curves from the other direction and then enter and It would supposedly make me a surface!!! not it!!!! And yes I tried joining all the curves and closing it but nop it didn't have anything to do with joining the curves either. Finally I just typed NetworkSurface and selected all the curves and entered and it did create a surface,,,very frustrating though! who said this was easy again?